@thelinuxEXP thank you so much for this wonderful video and for standing up for us ♥️
And @SpaciousCoder78 thank you so much for sharing :)
@SpaciousCoder78
OMG... Gnome Bug Report and Tracker is really oversimplified! 🙃
Mint isn't causing any problem there, Mint's users are.
Mint's users and Gnome Oversimplification.
@TheEvilSkeleton @thelinuxEXP I don't like how you're the one getting the heat in this situation even though you're just doing what upstreams usually do -- hold distro maintainers responsible.
I just finished watching Nick's video and he explained the controversy very well which kinda makes clear as to who's responsible for the package's current condition.
Mint should just create its own apps at this point. They modify way too much stuff.
@paninodesu I mean from what nick said in the video, Mint modified gnome-calendar a lot to the extent that the codebase diverged a lot from the upstream. It's the distro's responsibility to handle these issues.
I use Debian and our bug reporting is incredibly complex (you need to write an email with commands) but our support channels always handle user-level issues quickly and point them to the right areas.
I struggled a lot with issues on Mint but Debian has good user support
@SpaciousCoder78
And are the issues Mint's users are reporting caused by LibAdapta? From what the EVIL bones says, he has not idea anyway.
Again, I'm baffled that even Gnome bug report system is oversimplified.
@paninodesu I'm not sure if they're caused by libadapta, @TheEvilSkeleton might explain better but the upstream cannot support the downstream version if they make too many changes that diverge the source code or intentionally keep it out of date, which something Mint does a lot to preserve the design language.
I mean oversimplified bug report system is a good thing right? I found it hard to fix my issues when I was on Mint and eventually left it.
@paninodesu are you seriously blaming the users?
@SpaciousCoder78 I don't use Mint so I don't know if it's their fork or something else. But I prefer not to spend my time figuring out the technical problem.
@TheEvilSkeleton @paninodesu Yeah that's what I'm saying. When the downstream makes too many changes that upstream cannot identify what the issue is, the responsibility falls on the downstream.
Been a mint user for a few years and they sure have a lot of forked apps in there. They also forked libadwaita to modernise cinnamon a bit. The forks however need a lot of maintenance and a proper way to handle issues, the latter seems to be lacking with Mint.
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@SpaciousCoder78 "I mean oversimplified bug report system is a good thing right? "
No, it's not.
In the video Nick shows that when you click to report a bug in the program it takes you to Gnome Bug Tracker and you nave to create a new bug like if you were just creating a new thread on a random forum.
How is that "better" for the "average user"?
Giving him a form to chose between the available options is really harder that giving him not, nothing at all? Think for himself what he should write?
@paninodesu I mean that's how the design language of GNOME works. That's the intended purpose of that tool bar.
It's on mint for not modifying the links to mint's bug reporting site when they can easily do it.
Mind you, changing the links inside a GNOME app is a very very simple task but they chose not to.
https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/gnome-calendar
this link's reviews shows how many people experience problems with Mint's calendar.