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Wonderful Life

The Fediverse can be regarded as a ecosystem, and at present it is going through its Cambrian Explosion. As per the Wonderful Life Theory I hope we will emerge as “thousands of twigs on a vigorous bush”

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@rbairwell @katebevan Publishers may also have a role as financial middle men - I pay for the BBC through a licence fee, and subscribe to The Guardian, Scientific American etc, and they distribute the money. For the Fediverse to succeed the issue of how it is funded has to be solved.

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@katebevan @daveleeFT @rbairwell @DataDrivenMD That is true, however I understand there is a redirect mechanism to say, essentially @davelee@bbc.co.uk is now @davelee@ft.com - this could clearly be broken by the administrators at the old publishers, but I do not think they would want a reputation for treating departing contributors badly.

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@rbairwell @katebevan @daveleeFT @DataDrivenMD I think the ultimate solution to Verification is for the publishers/outlets to run their own Fediverse servers - there would be no need to 'verify' @davelee@ft.com - for example. If he also ran his own site, as he might for non journalist things he could set up @dave@davelee.me

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re: New Mastodon Instance, Culture Jamming

@sean @syed I too use Tusky - as I have multiple accounts - I tend to try to keep this one for IT and issues of Freedom etc, and have a personal one in case I get a cat to take pictures of.

Tusky is nice as it is available through f-droid.

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I have written a article on Setting up a small Pleroma server on a Debian host. I think it should work for Ubuntu too, in the hope that it encourages more people to try it, and distribute load from the larger public servers.

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@robertwgehl @jalcine I think Mastadon is a little like Hoover in that the term Federated Social Media is a bit of a mouthful, like the term Vacuum Cleaner so the first brand on the scene with a memorable name is used to label the concept. Once people are more familiar with the name they may still use the term, or derivatives, such as I am hoovering the carpet, even if the device they are using is not a Hoover.

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re: What model should journalism take on Mastodon?

@stokel Some subscription journals could also offer, as part of the benefits to their subscribers, an fediverse account such as @JohnLines@readers.theguardian.com - for example. The DNS name would differentiate them from staff without the need for an ‘official’ tag on their posts, but might be a hint as to how they feel about tofu.

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re: What model should journalism take on Mastodon?
@stokel In time, but preferably soon, journals should host their own Fediverse servers - journalists can partly take their credibility from the journal which hosts the post, though freelancers may well end up having their own identity as well - so @SomeJournalist@bbc.co.uk could also be @SomeJournalist@theguardian.com, and @SomeJournalist@somejournalist.social.

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@gabriliberal @Eunomia I feel part of the answer lies in the federated nature of the Fediverse, together with the existing tree structured nature of the DNS. Only the official European commission can have Fediverse sites which end in .europa.eu. Your trust (or not) can be inherited from your trust in the domain.

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re: Twitter Chaos
The article talks about police and emergency services using Twitter and the possible problems if those were forged accounts. The ThamesVP Twitter account is only trustworthy if already known as the trust in Twitter is essentially 'flat' or should be, but much harder to masquerade an account of thamesvalley.police.uk in the Fediverse as that inherits trust from police.uk - https://wordpress.debian.social/jlines/2021/01/12/it-is-good-to-be-a-tree/

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Twitter Chaos

From the BBC Twitter chaos after wave of blue tick impersonations - the fundamental problem is concentrating the problem of reputation in one central place. Also Twitter’s primary concern with reputation is its own and it is only concerned about the damage to the reputation of its users because the reflects on it.

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@xerz @sean @mrojo not all creators are in it for the money, indeed I suspect only a tiny fraction of YouTube posters make any money from it, but it is widely available and free to post. You need a level of skill to set up a Peertube server and those skills are not always found in the same person as a musician, artist etc

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@apiscitelli @robertwgehl as an update to that - there are now Guardian and BBC journalists on the Fediverse, but as individuals, rather than under the banner of their publishers.

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@apiscitelli @robertwgehl There are lots of reasons why federated social media is the natural home for Journalists
https://wordpress.debian.social/jlines/2021/10/17/federated-social-media-and-journalism/

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@dkellyj There is a good Peertube video at https://framatube.org/w/9dRFC6Ya11NCVeYKn8ZhiD with an introduction to Federation

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@kathygriffin @stux There is a Federated equivalent to YouTube, called PeerTube, which specialises in video content. They sort of work together, but there are fewer PeerTube servers than Mastodon servers as video needs more resources to set up.

Some care is needed in navigating the PeerTube as it contains a lot of either Vaccine Denial, or The Truth About The Global Vaccine Conspiracy, depending on your point of view.

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@jeremy @matthewrmoore This also helps with the problem of people using random servers set up by well intentioned people who are suddenly being flooded with new users.
See https://wordpress.debian.social/jlines/2022/10/28/funding-the-fediverse/

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@katebevan I believe the answer is for various sized organisations to set up servers, purely for their members - thus dealing with the scale problem - thus The Guardian would set up a large server for it's Journalists, and a small local newspaper a much smaller one, etc. I wrote something at https://wordpress.debian.social/jlines/2022/10/28/funding-the-fediverse/ about this

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Mastodon in BBC article
Good to read the article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63534240

and I hope it's author continues to explore and report of Federated Social Media. Too bad nobody has done the preparation so she could be @zsk@bbc.co.uk (Note this odes not exist at time of my post)

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