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@openrightsgroup it shouldn't necessarily require handing over sensitive data to demonstrate being over 16. For example if I have had a Gmail account for over 20 years then Real Intelligence, rather than the Artificial type which wants proof like an upload of a birth certificate or passport, will deduce that I am over 16

@liw @babble_endanger @suihkulokki @PhineasX perhaps Debian offers Deliverance from being locked in to proprietary software 😀

Federated Social Media and Journalism

Although journalists take a keen interest in Commercial Social Media (CSM), primarily meaning Facebook (and its subsidiaries, WhatsApp, Instagram etc), and Twitter (and possibly Tik Tok, and YouTube) there are particular reasons why journalists should be wary of them, and be aware of, and use and promote Federated Social Media alternatives.

Commercial Social Media is a rival, not a friend

Traditional Media (newspapers and broadcasters) and Commercial Social Media compete for advertisers, and CSM does so more successfully, as it can deliver a more accurate profile of its readership to the advertisers, who are the people who are paying for it.

CSM does not employ any journalists, benefiting from the work of journalists paid by Traditional Media, while undermining the revenue which pays their salaries. A career as an ‘Influencer‘ is probably not what most serious journalists aspire to.

Commercial Social Media is displacing Journalism as a source of news

Newspaper revenues have plummeted, (see for example The decline of Newspaper circulation), in a vicious spiral, as their readership reduces they become less attractive as to advertisers, so the advertising revenue falls. The same applies to broadcast Television – where streaming services providing the same contents give better information to an advertiser in terms of information about viewers than they can.

Commercial Social Media will inevitably become political

As Commercial Social Media becomes more accurate in its profiling of its user base it will know more and more about the return on investment it can deliver to an advertiser from any particular user. There will come a point where the most valuable thing that many social media users can provide in return for free hosting of their posts and pictures will be their votes.

By pushing their readership towards CSM, when they use Facebook and Twitter as their means of relating to their user base, Traditional Media organisations, are indirectly encouraging this trend. This is particularly ironic as the idea of interference in democratic elections is abhorrent to most journalists in the free world. (it is interesting that the expression free world is taken to mean free as in freedom, and journalists do not confuse it with free as in free newspapers).

As a case in point, The Guardian article on ‘David Puttnam hits out at government as he quits House of Lords” has Share buttons for Facebook, Twitter (and email), but The Guardian does not have an independent social media presence of its own, despite the one of the significant points of the article being the government’s lacklustre response to the report on ‘Digital Technology and the Resurrection of Trust‘. (This 153 page report touches on many of issues of transparency and trust)

What are the alternatives

These are just suggestions which journalists may find worth investigating. Journalism being the production and distribution of reports on current events based on facts and supported with proof or evidence, the ways that information flows in today’s world seems worth studying.

The common factor in all of the following suggestions is that they are Federated, so a Traditional Media organisation can set up their own presence (or instance) in these systems and not lock their readership/viewers in. They would all be able to be used in a subscriber model, in the same way as a newspaper operating behind a paywall if this turned out to be the best business model.

They are also all Free Software, so the cost of experimenting and learning about them is low, and they are supported by enthusiastic and helpful communities. When setting up such systems it is worth considering what they should be called. For experimental purposes any domain name is suitable, but in production they should be subdomains of the main internet presence to inherit its trust – see It is good to be a tree for why improving understanding of trust is becoming increasingly important in the online world.

Diaspora

as an alternative to Facebook. I do not yet have a Diaspora account, though it looks worth investigating.

XMPP

as an alternative to WhatsApp (see Who pays for WhatsApp). This is an Internet Standard Instant Messaging protocol, with at least two good choices of server systems (the part that might be run by a newspaper) and a wide range of clients (the part the used by their readership), including web clients so readers do not need to install a particular app if they do not want to.

I am on xmpp as jlines@debian.org

As XMPP is its own protocol there is no clash in using names similar to the email addresses already in use. If for example The Guardian were to offer an XMPP service to its subscribers (a potential way to delivery added value to the subscription at low cost the the newspaper), they could use addresses of the form fred.bloggs@subscribers.theguardian.com to distinguish them from staff.

ActivityPub (Mastodon or Pleroma)

as an alternative to Twitter. This works best for content which is intended to be publicly shared, and can be boosted (a bit like being retweeted) across multiple instances.

I am on the Debian instance of pleroma as @jlines@pleroma.debian.social.

Peertube

as an alternative to YouTube. The organisation running the server pays the hosting and network bandwidth costs to host their own streaming media, but by peering with other instances allows the other instances viewers, to see the other instances content, some of it using hosting organisation’s bandwidth, and vice versa.

The Dark Side

The ability to operate a Federated Media instance to publish content using their own rules about what is permitted does mean that it can become a platform for views or content which has been blocked or banned from CSM, for example (or so I hear – I have not looked at it myself) Gab.

I do know there are some instances which are echo chambers for conspiracy theorists, but distinguishing truth from falsehood, fact from fiction and conspiracy from cover up should be the essence of journalism, and equipping the public to do the same should be part of the mission.

On the other hand, operating a Federated Media Instance in their own domain (as a subdomain of the domain where they have built up a web presence) would allow traditional journalism publishers to leverage the trust in their existing ‘brand’.

hope on the horizon

Better tools for investigating trustworthiness of information found on the internet are always interesting, and a project called EUNOMIA looked interesting. It is not yet at the stage where it is useful to the average social media user, but people with in interest in journalism, politics or sociology might benefit from being aware of it, and – in example of the way things change, its domain now points to some form of gambling site, so I have removed the link to its live demo. It is described here, and source code on Gitlab.

@yassie_j unfortunately I find Harry Harrison's War with the robots is probably closer to the way things will turn out.

George Clooney is an actor.

Put him in the role of a surgeon in front of a camera, and he will do and say things the average non-surgeon viewer will agree are surgeonish. After an hour of that, we are, as average non-surgeon viewers, satisfied and entertained.

Put him in an operating theatre, and the patient will fucking die because he's not a surgeon and knows nothing about really doing surgery.

This is a post about LLMs.

I sign up to mailing lists and accounts with 'plus' addresses, except when disallowed, when I create aliases with a minus sign. Was interested to see two fail2ban postfix-sasl failures, close in time, but completely different sources for the same 'user', who only exists as a mail address. Suspect the attack sources are part of the same group,. Looking at logs for development of secinfo-xmpp, where if a system is attacked rest of group blocks

Last night on stage , I announced my resignation from the Infinite Monkey Cage - here is my statement

@liw
* Power plugs mostly solid, have internal, changeable fuse, so plug density lower. Techy friends have similar mess of extensions , but theirs take up far less space.
* Due to the shuttering mechanism in the socket, some can become almost impossible to insert or worse remove if they have been in place for decades.
* Switched sockets are good, though the switches can be a failure point.
* My aunt, in her late 90's switches gadgets on/off with her walking stick!
* Friends ditto

@liw I have lived in the UK all my life, but we stay with friends in Europe, so see real as opposed to hotel electrics.
* Access to good fish and chips makes us aware that there are also many places with disappointing fish and chips
* Railway ticketing is almost incomprehensible, even to Brits, public transport integration is almost non-existent, timetables semi-fictional. Dutch friend directions from outer Haarlem, bus, train to Gronigen 5 min gaps, worked perfectly.

@GossiTheDog @musing_sys I am on the third IT system for patients to access their medical information, all from the same hospital. I am not sure where these IT related decisions are made, but pretty sure it is not the a push from the clinical side.
Wondering how long it will take for someone to appreciate that sprinkling the magic privatization pixie dust on everything is not a universal solution.

@GossiTheDog @ISO8601 Artificial Intelligence is not as good as Real Intelligence, and at those rates is not even cheaper!

@highvoltage @withaveeay I have too many contacts who use WhatsApp a lot to avoid it completely, but I use it on a second phone, which only contains Whatsapp users for reasons explained in https://wordpress.debian.social/jlines/2025/07/04/who-owns-your-contacts/
On that link I offer small UK charities donations towards trying out Snikket as a major issue is the nobody has heard of any alternatives, and 'if everyone uses it then it must be OK'

@openrightsgroup Targeted Advertising is also a flawed concept. Suppose I want to buy a sofa/fridge/car/mattress... and research my purchase on the Internet, pick one which seems to match my needs and buy it. I now have what I want, and actually less in the market to buy one than a random untargetted person who might happen not to have the product.

Brought to you by Real Intelligence - as opposed to Artificial Intelligence - used by those without the real thing

@jim If there is a measurable decrease in suicide, anti-social behavior, self harm or any of the other ills which are blamed on unrestricted access to the internet then these can be balanced against the harms of fraud or misuse of personal data required (or claimed by data collectors to be require) by the legislation. 2/2 See also https://blog.wp.paladyn.org/2024/11/14/the-proof-of-identity-problem/

@jim I sympathize with the people hoping the Online Safety Act will solve a variety of Internet related social problems. Safety legislation often involves finding a balance between personal freedom and public good. For example the Road Safety Acts result in reduction in Road Accidents 1/2

@jim Additionally it is hard to unravel the difference between state surveillance - which ideally should have a level of oversight, and transparency - and that carried out by private companies, where the use of the data they have collected may be subject to change, and hard to discover.

@jim The problem is that technological capability is amoral, and does not distinguish between, for example, a woman wishing to be educated in Afghanistan, a freedom fighter planning to blow up a religious building, a member of an oppressed minority want to draw attention by damaging some public symbol of oppression, or a group planning to reduce financial inequality by redistributing goods or cash.

@vkc @kasperd For some time I have felt that some form of federated ActivityPub based security system would be beneficial. This would be aimed at being produced and consumed primarily by computers, but should be readable by humans for verification. Things like fail2ban from a computer attack level, sharing spam sources and sharing info on objectionable content origins. Web of trust and similar content policies would apply.

@nixCraft I would like to see more organisations/companies setting up their own Fediverse (I use pleroma for my personal Fedi - as does Debian - server diversity is good). This deals with a lot of the issues of identity confusion, once people start to see more accounts like @news@bbc.co.uk (does not exist, but hard to fake, and fewer @thisIsTheBBCNewsHonest@mastadon.social (also does not exist).
https://wordpress.debian.social/jlines/2021/01/12/it-is-good-to-be-a-tree/

@JamesBaker Beyond this, once a digital means of proving your identity goes out of your control who is to prevent it being re-used. I wrote https://blog.wp.paladyn.org/2024/11/14/the-proof-of-identity-problem/ about this, and I believe it is a hard, but important problem.

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