@GyrosGeier
Still, if needing extra VRAM may be a reasonable price to pay for some if it means they can move to something more modern without leaving their UI behind.
@ignaloidas
Still, if needing extra VRAM may be a reasonable price to pay for some if it means they can move to something more modern without leaving their UI behind.
@ignaloidas
@GyrosGeier
These kinds of issues are why I said "works" rather than the plain unquoted variant of that word 😉
@ignaloidas
These kinds of issues are why I said "works" rather than the plain unquoted variant of that word 😉
@ignaloidas
@GyrosGeier
Yes, that's what I mean.
Would be awesome because suddenly every window manager "works" with Wayland.
Probably not a good idea though because everything will be very confused.
@ignaloidas
Yes, that's what I mean.
Would be awesome because suddenly every window manager "works" with Wayland.
Probably not a good idea though because everything will be very confused.
@ignaloidas
@ignaloidas
To put it otherwise.
I think what I want is a Wayland compositor that doesn't provide a UI, but that instead provides some sort of compatibility layer so you can hook up a window manager to do the actual UI work.
@GyrosGeier @mjg59
To put it otherwise.
I think what I want is a Wayland compositor that doesn't provide a UI, but that instead provides some sort of compatibility layer so you can hook up a window manager to do the actual UI work.
@GyrosGeier @mjg59
@ignaloidas
Not quite.
These are all 'I have a native Wayland application that I want to run in my X11 session'. That's a cool thing, but not what I want to do.
I want to *run* a Wayland environment. Everything should be Wayland, with standard fallback to the XWayland thing for stuff that isn't supported yet.
Except that I just want the UI to be a window manager that expects X11.
@mjg59 @GyrosGeier
Not quite.
These are all 'I have a native Wayland application that I want to run in my X11 session'. That's a cool thing, but not what I want to do.
I want to *run* a Wayland environment. Everything should be Wayland, with standard fallback to the XWayland thing for stuff that isn't supported yet.
Except that I just want the UI to be a window manager that expects X11.
@mjg59 @GyrosGeier
@ignaloidas
My understanding of Wayback was that it is a way to provide an X11 implementation that uses the Wayland backend, rather than a way to shoehorn the Wayland frontend under an X11 window manager, which is what I'm suggesting.
Of course my understanding can be wrong, in which case a link to more information would be welcomed by a promise for your favourite beverage at my cost if you look for me at the next FOSDEM 😉
@mjg59 @GyrosGeier
My understanding of Wayback was that it is a way to provide an X11 implementation that uses the Wayland backend, rather than a way to shoehorn the Wayland frontend under an X11 window manager, which is what I'm suggesting.
Of course my understanding can be wrong, in which case a link to more information would be welcomed by a promise for your favourite beverage at my cost if you look for me at the next FOSDEM 😉
@mjg59 @GyrosGeier
@GyrosGeier
This, but then awesomewm.
I think a more globally useful approach would be to write something that implements the part of an X11 server that the window manager talks to, but that looks like Wayland to the applications. This way, people who really don't want to migrate away from their X11-only environment can keep using it and still use Wayland.
This is probably naive and not possible, but meh, one can dream.
@ignaloidas @mjg59
This, but then awesomewm.
I think a more globally useful approach would be to write something that implements the part of an X11 server that the window manager talks to, but that looks like Wayland to the applications. This way, people who really don't want to migrate away from their X11-only environment can keep using it and still use Wayland.
This is probably naive and not possible, but meh, one can dream.
@ignaloidas @mjg59
@misty
I did a bit of creative searching on DuckDuckGo and came across this:
https://pastebin.com/3gsjdbwp
Interview with her (not by her husband) moments after the attempt.
@jessamyn
I did a bit of creative searching on DuckDuckGo and came across this:
https://pastebin.com/3gsjdbwp
Interview with her (not by her husband) moments after the attempt.
@jessamyn
@Walop
Welcome to the world of conflicting bureaucratic requirements. When I did paperwork to move to South Africa, the South African government wanted me to do something (produce a certified copy of my passport) that the Belgian government declared illegal (you're not allowed to make any copies of any identity documents, not even your own)
The solution was to get a lawyer to help me find my way out. I'd suggest you might need to do the same.
Welcome to the world of conflicting bureaucratic requirements. When I did paperwork to move to South Africa, the South African government wanted me to do something (produce a certified copy of my passport) that the Belgian government declared illegal (you're not allowed to make any copies of any identity documents, not even your own)
The solution was to get a lawyer to help me find my way out. I'd suggest you might need to do the same.
I will scroll through 100+ items in an Internet search looking for written instructions before I'll ever even consider watching a 1-minute instructional video.
@pixx
Okay, yes. To me, open core is not open source, and a company dropping a free 'community version' but not taking patches for that one nor even providing a basic version of support might as well just do shareware instead.
Okay, yes. To me, open core is not open source, and a company dropping a free 'community version' but not taking patches for that one nor even providing a basic version of support might as well just do shareware instead.
@pixx
I don't think the expectation of free support is valid. If someone asks for support on a public forum, I help them if and when I have time or let someone else handle it when not. If someone sends me private email, I send information on the public forum as well as a quote for paid private support.
Nobody should feel forced to do anything just because they happen to do open source.
I don't think the expectation of free support is valid. If someone asks for support on a public forum, I help them if and when I have time or let someone else handle it when not. If someone sends me private email, I send information on the public forum as well as a quote for paid private support.
Nobody should feel forced to do anything just because they happen to do open source.
