@NanoRaptor
Do you lose everything when you make the first mistake or is that just the payout point? Would be a big difference 🙂

@azonenberg
Don't forget the -y to force overwriting the existing certificate.
@gsuberland

@algernon
Yes, now that you mention it I remember doing that too at some point; but usually what I need to do is make sure things talk to me and don't fall over at the first sight of a client, for which a login command is enough and I don't need to do more.
@zhenech

@zhenech
. LOGIN username password

Is about the extent of my ability to speak IMAP
@algernon

(also this could be an interesting scenario for a business tycoon type of game: be Elop and try not to run the company into the ground)
@mjg59

...thereby forcing people to either retrain on the new OS or quit, meaning you have to invest in acquiring the new expertise.

Yes he had to make radical choices, and yes the offer from Microsoft would have been interesting from a financial and engineering point of view. I don't think it was the only option though.
@mjg59

phone at the time was mostly vaporware.

He could have chosen to tighten the collaboration with Intel and kill symbian. He could have looked for an external partner/investor in symbian (less likely, I know) and kill meego.

Instead he chose to go for Windows phone, which at the time was an os but not yet a platform, and kill the two software stacks that he already had in house...

@mjg59
I think it's not accurate to depict that as the only viable scenario, or even if it was indeed the only viable one to therefore say that the choices that were made by Elop weren't the final nail in the coffin for mobile Linux at the time.

Nokia had two platforms that yes were competing with each other and holding each other back, but each had devices in the market that people were actually using with some success and some development, whereas Windows

@uecker
Um. Nokia had experience doing that. That doesn't mean they were really good at it.

Apple builds new product lines once a year. Nokia didn't renew their product lines anywhere close to that.
@mjg59

@kinnison
I don't think I said that? All I wanted to say was that it was very much in character for him and that I'm not surprised.

@kinnison
He's never been much into the philosophical side of open source. For him, all that matters is that the code works.

Here too: he doesn't care how the code came to be, as long as the person submits it vouches for the quality.

He will tell at you in typical Linus fashion if you get it wrong and don't review the LLM output, of course.

@ariadne
OIC. Well I don't have the skills for that.

Also my first computer was a boring x86 P1, so there is that.
@acsawdey

@ariadne
And it still works?

The first one I bought like that has given the ghost ages ago...
@acsawdey

@mensrea
Belgian law allows you to do what is called a "wilsverklaring" (declaration of desire) where you can say while you're still sound of mind that you want to be euthanized under certain given circumstances.

It requires that you nominate a person to make the final decision, and you still have to go through all the other (nontrivial) legal requirements, but it is possible and I know people who have done it.
@ariadne

@suihkulokki I don't know what to say except "Oh yes absolutely very much so couldn't agree more you couldn't be more right" etc.

Jira's "rovo" AI agent has very strong clippy vibes.

#hate

@Dio9sys
It feels to me more like they figure out where the best possible location would be for the cable to be plugged in without effort, and then make a standard that allows for anything but that location.