See @bkuhn is under a lot of stress currently because of the @conservancy LLM-gen-AI stuff.
Hey Bradley, ❤️. I can see you're feeling under attack. Don't take it personal. People are emotional now, and are saying things they might otherwise not.
Don't fan the flames. It's going to get better 🫂
Hey Bradley, ❤️. I can see you're feeling under attack. Don't take it personal. People are emotional now, and are saying things they might otherwise not.
Don't fan the flames. It's going to get better 🫂
understanding the problems. Someone suggesting LLM use might not be aware, and *personally* I would rather try to educate them before banning.
But you do you. I don't pay you, I'm not your boss, and I won't think less of you (if you care about that, which you probably don't and that's fine) if you do ban at first sight.
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@conservancy @dalias
But you do you. I don't pay you, I'm not your boss, and I won't think less of you (if you care about that, which you probably don't and that's fine) if you do ban at first sight.
🤷
@conservancy @dalias
@dalias
Any community can do anything they like. Some things will not make said community healthy, but that's their problem.
Anyone arguing they should be allowed to do something because conservancy said so is just trolling, and is clearly only selectively reading things. Ban that on first sight, sure.
At a technical level, LLM tech can seem like magic. It's easy to see only that and think it's a panacea without @conservancy
Any community can do anything they like. Some things will not make said community healthy, but that's their problem.
Anyone arguing they should be allowed to do something because conservancy said so is just trolling, and is clearly only selectively reading things. Ban that on first sight, sure.
At a technical level, LLM tech can seem like magic. It's easy to see only that and think it's a panacea without @conservancy
@wynke
(For my non-Dutch-speaking followers: in Dutch, the word 'kombuis' means 'galley', as in, ship's kitchen...)
@Aprazeth @alice @riverpunk
(For my non-Dutch-speaking followers: in Dutch, the word 'kombuis' means 'galley', as in, ship's kitchen...)
@Aprazeth @alice @riverpunk
@dalias
Maybe that's not what it means to you, but that's how I read it.
I'm happy to learn you see it that way, and assume you practice what you preach.
However, I have seen people shun right away on first sight of even daring to mention the concept of AI. I don't think that's useful, and I understood that guideline to mean that you shouldn't do that.
If it doesn't then I agree with you that it's not helpful. But I don't think that's the case.
@conservancy
Maybe that's not what it means to you, but that's how I read it.
I'm happy to learn you see it that way, and assume you practice what you preach.
However, I have seen people shun right away on first sight of even daring to mention the concept of AI. I don't think that's useful, and I understood that guideline to mean that you shouldn't do that.
If it doesn't then I agree with you that it's not helpful. But I don't think that's the case.
@conservancy
@mirabilos
Totally different story. I'm not opposed to banning such people. In my reading, that's also not what SFC is suggesting.
@dalias @conservancy
Totally different story. I'm not opposed to banning such people. In my reading, that's also not what SFC is suggesting.
@dalias @conservancy
@zhenech
Yes.
I discovered that rolling AC is surprisingly cheap, and only needs a window and a power socket. And works quite well, too.
Yes.
I discovered that rolling AC is surprisingly cheap, and only needs a window and a power socket. And works quite well, too.
@wynke
As a Dutch language native living in South Africa, I have a bit more exposure than I used to before my move.
My favourite tidbit: the Afrikaans word for kitchen is 'kombuis'. Think of how the people who speak Afrikaans got here in the first place, and you'll love it.
@riverpunk @alice @Aprazeth
As a Dutch language native living in South Africa, I have a bit more exposure than I used to before my move.
My favourite tidbit: the Afrikaans word for kitchen is 'kombuis'. Think of how the people who speak Afrikaans got here in the first place, and you'll love it.
@riverpunk @alice @Aprazeth
@dalias
(To be clear, I'm not saying you are doing that. However, I have seen people do that, and don't think it is useful. Tell people who do suggest LLM use that what they're suggesting is a bad idea, sure. But don't shun them at first sight. Maybe at second sight)
@conservancy
(To be clear, I'm not saying you are doing that. However, I have seen people do that, and don't think it is useful. Tell people who do suggest LLM use that what they're suggesting is a bad idea, sure. But don't shun them at first sight. Maybe at second sight)
@conservancy
@dalias
I think the point is that you can do that without shunning people, i.e., you can say politely that certain types of contributions are not welcome without outright banning people at the first indication they might have the audacity of even suggesting something.
@conservancy
I think the point is that you can do that without shunning people, i.e., you can say politely that certain types of contributions are not welcome without outright banning people at the first indication they might have the audacity of even suggesting something.
@conservancy
@starsider So you are, in fact, asking someone to be available on holiday for pay. That's a big no to me. Holiday is holiday, no matter how much the customer pays.
It can wait. Or they can fix things themselves, it's open source after all. @bagder
@starsider
Not related. I get a vacation from my day job too, and no matter how much money I get I'll still want that.
Paying more for 'not taking a holiday' is kind of a hot take.
@bagder
Not related. I get a vacation from my day job too, and no matter how much money I get I'll still want that.
Paying more for 'not taking a holiday' is kind of a hot take.
@bagder
🇪🇺🇮🇪
I once smacked a man for criticizing my text alignment.
it was justified.
@owashe
I have a fold up Bluetooth keyboard. It's not the same thing but it is the next best thing...
I have a fold up Bluetooth keyboard. It's not the same thing but it is the next best thing...
🐾
Another day where I am reminded how much I dislike typing on a flat glass screen instead of an actual keyboard with useful tactile response beyond "entire device vibrates slightly to indicate typing is happening"
Give me a smartphone with a keyboard that slides out, damn it.
@nickynah
The 'so that I can get started' is the crucial part here. If I have an LLM generate a skeleton that I can build upon further without using the LLM, then that can help me learn.
Of course that doesn't apply if you take the LLM output and then never look at it. But if the skills of that technology weren't there in the first place, then you using an LLM is also not making you lose any skills.
@bagder
The 'so that I can get started' is the crucial part here. If I have an LLM generate a skeleton that I can build upon further without using the LLM, then that can help me learn.
Of course that doesn't apply if you take the LLM output and then never look at it. But if the skills of that technology weren't there in the first place, then you using an LLM is also not making you lose any skills.
@bagder