“Screenshot” on BBC is fabulous radio https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live/bbc_radio_fourfm?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I’ve long loved Mark Kermode and this is Mark Kermode. But

Ellen E Jones (who I wasn’t previously familiar with) really holds her own. They frequently seem to have polar opposite takes. And that makes for really interesting chat

I don’t automatically fall into camp Kermode but even when I do, he’s forced to really justify his position. Jones keeps him on his toes. And it’s really invigorating to hear a very different perspective