Corporolinux stans be like, "systemd+wayland+gnome is the one true way"
BSD chads be like, "Hey let's have MORE diversity, how about an instance dedicated to #illumos and retro-solaris stuff?!?"

lol you guys are so based. 😅

@rl_dane the systemd crowd is also working on replacing the #FHS with their idea of how a GNU/Linux filesysten should look like 🤮 according to LWN.

They’re good at appropriating general-sounding names (first freedesktop.org now "Linux #UAPI group") for themselves to be able to say (from the systemd side) that "an independent standards group" (staffed with their people) is doing the change.

"But it’s not just people from #systemd but also from […], Debian, […]" they say. Yes, strictly speaking the systemd maintainers in Debian, who are responsible for lots and lots of breakage on users’ systems hy forcing through their stuff, are "people from Debian".

Oh, and they also have a token subgroup where someone not from the systemd/gnome/fdo crowd is working on somethi g totally unrelated to be able to say they’re not an sd/g/fdo-only ship, even if both in practice and for this specific project fully they are.

@highvoltage

I'm amazed that Debian + Hurd is still a thing.

I'm kinda sad that Debian kFreeBSD is gone, but Chimera is pretty great, and literally the opposite. ;)

@mirabilos @rl_dane That posse has been doing that for at least 25 years (I still remember kgi, https://web.archive.org/web/20180207181101/http://www.kgi-project.org/, which hasn't found their blessing).

I wonder how much traction an alternative (but heavily overlapping) userland needs to become self-sustaining. Past experience wasn't good, but the tides are changing (we're not necessarily cheering anymore when a corp crash-lands on the footsteps of a community project like we used to)

@patrick @rl_dane aaaah, KGI/GGI… I forgot about that craze… thankfully it didn’t take off.

Wasn’t HAL also a thing of theirs, which FreeBSD then subscribed to and ended up being stuck to that dead-end?

@mirabilos @patrick

Wasn’t HAL also a thing of theirs, which FreeBSD then subscribed to and ended up being stuck to that dead-end?

FreeBSD is like that nerdy-but-kind teenager that's desperately trying to be friends with the "in crowd" that always treat him like dirt.

@rl_dane @patrick right ;) good visualisation of what people mean when they say “there’s BSD, and then there’s FreeBSD” or “from a BSD PoV, FreeBSD is like a Linux”

@rl_dane Chad, based and so on sounds so much like alt-right incel language to me.

@sotolf

I think it's more internet meme language.

@rl_dane When you see where most of the meme stuff originates (4-chan) that's basically the same isn't it? :p

@sotolf

I think the problem is that most people don't understand where it comes from or what it means to a particularly nasty sub-culture, and so it gets broadly accepted where it otherwise wouldn't.

I still get creeped out by Pepe memes, and the pushback I get is, "it's just a meme, man."

And like, it's a particularly odious meme, the nasty undercurrents of which is known by everyone, so why propagate it, when even the original creator disavowed it?

"Stan" isn't an internet meme, though, it's just a rap meme, from an Eminem song about a fanatical fan (afaik). But "Chad" is kinda grody, I should remove that from my vocab, to be fair.

@rl_dane @sotolf

> Pepe memes

Oh man, the popularity of Pepe meme in Russian meme community is overwhelming😄. For us it is just a sad frog inserted in the memes, which embodies the problems of people in modern society. Especially in the memes about problems of Russian hermits 🙂

And the shitstorm, after some ppl on the other side of ocean proclaimed Pepe as a racist meme, was enormous and terrifying 😄

@m0xEE @evgandr @sotolf

Pretty sure [based] comes from a rapper, not the alt-right.

Unless the KYM page is faulty info; that's always possible.