I'm not fucking around anymore. If you're actively trying to make shit harder for me, I am going to let you know.
@grimmy you're releasing alpha versions but you don't want feedback?
@bagder These are pre-alpha experimental releases to show people we're still alive and in hopes that others might contribute. But not for end-users.
I am burned out to hell but still pushing because I'm stupid or something.
The majority of the feedback is coming from people looking at screen shots and complaining about trivial UI things like "icons being monochromatic".
They're not even attempting to compile the code or use the flathub beta package so generally the feedback isn't great.
@grimmy I see. But don't you think it is a little double messaging? Releasing packages, even alpha or pre-alpha, is typically a call for early feedback.
@bagder Is it double messaging when this is explicitly in every single release announcement?
> Just like the previous experimental releases, this is a timed release. It is a snapshot of what we currently have and is something we think other tinkerers and developers may want to start playing with, but again, it is not meant for end users.
https://discourse.imfreedom.org/t/pidgin-3-0-experimental-5-2-94-0-has-been-released/338
@grimmy but why do releases at all if you don't want the feedback?
@grimmy I mean you're of course entitled to do so, I just think you ask for feedback on the one hand when releasing the packages, then you need to fight the feedback with info no one seems to read. When you could just not do the releases at all ...
@bagder To have goals which can drive development, for me to get a dopamine hit after being in 10 straight years of development hell, because it gives me a chance to look back and reflect on what we've been doing and determine if that's the correct path.
Are these good enough reasons for you?
@bagder See my other response since apparently that wasn't fast enough before getting more follow up... 🙄
@grimmy for me? Then anything is fine and okay. I'm just trying to understand.
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@bagder Guess I should turn this into an FAQ somewhere which will be yet another thing on my todo list which will of course cut into development time...
Anyways here's the original announcement that described the whole thing.
But tl;dr we're open to feedback if it is actually usable/reasonable right now.
But between live and work finding time for Pidgin is hard and people are making it harder by forcing me through conversations like this.
https://discourse.imfreedom.org/t/pidgin-3-0-0-experimental-1-announcement/216
@grimmy if you think Mastodoning is too burdensome then I would recommend not answering random toots, like from me.
@jmtd As I mentioned in the link, we've been anticipating this in all distros and that's why we've been pushing so hard lately to get to an alpha.
I understand Distros want to remove it, that's fine, but it's just astounding to me that people aren't even attempting to reach out to us about it at all. See my comments regarding affected users in that bug report.
I am one person getting minimal support for code reviews right now and that's about it. So I have become hostile to forced work.
@bagder Wow I love how people just love to suggest that I can't decide on my own autonomy. Which was kind of the point of the initial tweet...
FWIW I have been actively working on a pull request during this entire discussion.
@grimmy oh man ! I was using PIdgin back in 2009 or something, was awesome !
thanks for that - is there a forum or something where users can help each other?
you can't do this alone mate
@grimmy I'm sorry you're taking my questions and maybe a gentle help as an attack. I'll shutup now.
@bagder Yeah but I'm not questioning your actions to satisfy my curiosity, telling you how to do things, and blaming you for people not reading the things you've put out to the world.
@realaaa We have presences all over the internet, but our discourse has replaced our email lists.
@grimmy thanks ! I'll have a look, and register, I am not sure but I might actually start using Pidgin soon again (returning back to Linux after a long break)
@realaaa Awesome! But you know we have supported Windows forever right? And there's even a version in homebrew on macos that doesn't require XQuartz.
@grimmy just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy seeing the releases without expecting anything. Just happy to see that pidgin is still alive and to see what's going on. Also good to know that you publish flatpaks, will test them as soon as you'll call for public feedback
@dan thanks I appreciate it. The flatpaks are in flathub beta if you're feeling adventurous. I might throw the twitch plugin in there soon but we'll see
https://discourse.imfreedom.org/t/pidgin-3-on-flathub-beta/230