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might be time i pin my systems to an lts kernel and wait

like, the net subsystem... yikes

@navi Yeah… also gonna have to switch my router to a non-linux, thankfully that should be technically doable but I hate the idea of having to re-do all the config.

@lanodan @navi My router has been on linux 5.10 since forever and I'm not changing it. (I had to pin to 5.10 because for some reason later versions mess up the regulatory country of my wifi card and it's impossible to make it work. I'm not experienced enough at debugging kernel drivers to fully dive in and understand what's going on.)

@ska @navi I could consider doing that but it makes me rather uneasy, like if rewriting the config would be free (and is close enough to feature-parity) I'd possibly even consider 9front.
Which incidentally would probably make it much easier to see why a breakage happened from one version to another.

@navi what hapoen?

@mirabilos https://social.coop/@cwebber/117134650112102361

specially this bit:

> I expect our direction for the next release will be to tweak the reviews a little bit more, but start shifting focus to letting the LLMs take care of the busy work - managing patchwork, automating common process complaints, editing commit messages, and maybe applying patches which already got "reviewed-by" tags from people we trust...

@navi ugh. But that will also end up in LTS kernels 🤮

@navi @mirabilos fucks sake
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@mirabilos @navi Plus well… not really sure I'd place much trust in the quality of LTS kernels

@lanodan @mirabilos my idea is just that it'd slow down the rate that shit gets to me

failing to see any alternative except just not updating the kernel at all anymore

@navi @mirabilos Yeah, for me LTS will be the interim/temporary solution while moving stuff to other operating systems (that's going to be a pain but at least my own software is portable… because I already had to switch OS).

@lanodan @mirabilos i don't have a viable alternative yet, specially considering openrc asw

closest would be hurd but it's obv. not nearly functional for all i do

@lanodan @mirabilos i might end up writing my own toy kernel into usability before another viable os shows up i think

@navi @mirabilos Yeah, ability to slap OpenRC on say NetBSD would be nice.

And Hurd is one I could *maybe* consider supporting but not using, got too many annoyances with GNU at this point and could entirely see it falling into the slop.
One that would be ironic is illumos getting a good anti-AI policy, as then it would be going back to a system I left, but well it's a rather corpo-friendly system (although has historical beef against Oracle) so I don't have much hopes.

@lanodan @mirabilos technically you can, we do support freebsd, dragonflybsd, and netbsd, iirc

but i don't think anyone's actually running those atm, so it would be a lot of work to go against the base system... which is the major issue with all those battery-included kernel-os systems

@navi @lanodan @mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org those being batteries included is exactly why i stick to linux, there just isn't anything else that's good

pretty wild how doing less work makes you better and yet no one does that

@navi @lanodan in theory i could make my own os but idk enough about osdev to actually do it rn

@SRAZKVT @lanodan i did start nrvn to learn, and i did learn a lot, but atm i don't have time and energy to make it into a functional kernel...

@SRAZKVT @navi I think even in theory I wouldn't, I hate having to reboot over and over, so for me to write drivers they would have to either be in userspace or just the basic core you can easily test in a VM.

And then there's dealing with all the half-broken stuff hardware vendors sells where you need to add quirks to your drivers.

@lanodan @SRAZKVT well nrvn drivers will be userspace mostly because i think that's the sane way to do it for maintainability, extensibility, and security reasons

dealing with broken hardware would be the end of me though

@lanodan @navi yea there is barely any good reason to have drivers be a part of the kernel, ig it's slightly simpler to architecture and somewhat forces corps to open source their drivers, but that's it

@SRAZKVT @navi I'd argue that "somewhat" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there…
Plus then you'd want their source code to be usable, and at that point I think the ship has sank.

@SRAZKVT @lanodan

i don't even know if the forcing corps to opensource is really an actually useful thing, as we see by android phones being forced to run highly outdated kernel versions because the vendor only ever wrote drivers in this one tree, and didn't want to upstream

the reason corps upstream drivers over letting them rot in a private fork, imo, is because they learnt that by doing that they offload a lot of labor maintaining it

@navi @SRAZKVT Maybe some of that will change when the EU Cyber Resilience Act will come into force in 2027-12-11 (I wonder how that stuff is going to play out… ready the popcorn?).

@navi @lanodan i think every hardware unit should be sold along with it's documentation but that's not happening

@SRAZKVT @navi Yeah, we typically don't even get maintenance manuals (even true outside of computers, like cars/motorbike/… manuals are seriously incomplete), so documentation isn't going to happen and then it would have to be accurate.

@lanodan @SRAZKVT if anything this kinda thing should be a law

"if you're selling a product that depends on software to work, specifications for such software must follow"

@lanodan @navi "documentation would have to be accurate" let me tell you about a document format called ooxml

@lanodan @SRAZKVT either that or require usb-ish things to have everything functional over generic hid descriptors

@navi @lanodan drivers as dbus interfaces

@SRAZKVT @lanodan i am *not* making that monkey's paw wish

@lanodan @navi pokemon and foot fetish weirdly go well together

@SRAZKVT @navi pokemon and <insert fetish> really

@lanodan @navi @SRAZKVT huh why is pokemondb in the second search page and bulbapedia in the third page when i look up braixen lmao

also

foot logo

it’s actually gnome

@xarvos @navi @SRAZKVT I found the ~source on e621 but sadly my computer needs to prove humanity to access it. (And source did have the gnome logo)
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@SRAZKVT @navi @lanodan just kill me now

@lanodan @navi hurd builds atop gnumach which is already ensloppified

@lanodan @navi Tribblix then, maybe? Author is on Fedi.

@mirabilos @navi Tribblix could be neat but well… waiting for AI policy in place before I consider it as a possibility.
After all it's github-hosted.