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Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible

Different people have different accessibility needs; it is impossible to make a single theme that everyone can use

Some accessibility needs are incompatible with others, so having only one or even two "accessibility" modes can't cut it (e.g. dark + high-contrast theme)

The "accessibility" themes are the least tested and most buggy ones; so preventing users from adding themes means we're stuck with the bugs

Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible

Anyway, that's why when people say this kind of bullshit: https://stopthemingmy.app/

What I hear is "If you don't have perfect eyesight or the normal kinds of vision problems, we want you to be excluded"

re: Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible
@researchfairy "Changing an app’s icon denies the developer the possibility to control their brand."

Oh no! Not my fucking brand!

re: Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible
@wyatt @researchfairy their app is a guest on my system. When you're a guest in someone's house you don't go dictating how they do things in their house, you respect their rules or leave. Same with my system: if you don't like me setting an icon theme then tough shit.

@researchfairy Given a GTK developer at one point posted that GTK was no longer going to focus on accessibility, and if you want accessibility you should contribute it yourself(to add insult to injury, this was literal days after the gnome foundation announced they had hired a developer specifically to work on accessibility in GTK). It very often feels like Gnome does not care about accessibility anymore.

@lunarequest I've found them to be very hostile to it

Issues regarding accessibility on their issue tracker marked as wontfix within minutes

@researchfairy I know some GNOME devs care(e.g. Hari Rana) but there's unfortunately a vocal group that is actively against it

Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible

@researchfairy there's a reason why I made this post with vulpine labs https://furry.engineer/@vulpinelabs/115205683158621396

re: Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible
@Kuniti_shino @researchfairy I havent look at that website for a long while now, but from what I remember, they arent a group of devs against themeing at all though- they want user customisability, they just dont want distributions which package their software to theme them, which i think I find reasonable? Ubuntu forcing its default theme onto all gtk4 apps is bad?
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re: Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible

@disaster2life@pleroma.debian.social @Kuniti_shino@pounced-on.me @researchfairy@scholar.social imo it's not bad because it's custom theming, rather it's just not advertising it's unsupported (or, in better terms, who is providing support for what).

i think anyone making an accessibility-focused distro should recognize that part of their UX is being provided by their customization (and would in turn be responsible for giving users support for it) whereas ubuntu users are being shown an unsupported theme and being sent to the app's devs when anything unexpected happens.

re: Reasons why being able to put a theme on your OS is necessary for it to be accessible
@piuvas @Kuniti_shino @researchfairy Oh yeah exactly, I think we had this exact discussion at some point, but themeing should be a user choice, but also it isnt the original dev's issue to deal with unsupported configs, I do generally agree even as a """maintainer""" of an icon pack for linux

~also oh hi piuvas! been a while!~