@xgranade
Not trying to be obtuse here, but:
Why does this feel like betrayal to you?
I understand the desire to not use llm-generated code (though I don't share that desire). I don't understand your use of the term 'betrayal' here though.
Not to say that your opinion is invalid! Just... I feel like I must be missing something here.
Not trying to be obtuse here, but:
Why does this feel like betrayal to you?
I understand the desire to not use llm-generated code (though I don't share that desire). I don't understand your use of the term 'betrayal' here though.
Not to say that your opinion is invalid! Just... I feel like I must be missing something here.
@lettosprey
Am I correct in stating that it's more an anti-big tech position, then? That makes more sense to me.
I don't think it's entirely an accurate position, as it would imply that (a) only big tech can run LLMs, and (b) all of FLOSS is anti-big tech, both of which I believe are accurate statements, but I can better understand that position of that's what it is.
@xgranade
Am I correct in stating that it's more an anti-big tech position, then? That makes more sense to me.
I don't think it's entirely an accurate position, as it would imply that (a) only big tech can run LLMs, and (b) all of FLOSS is anti-big tech, both of which I believe are accurate statements, but I can better understand that position of that's what it is.
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@lettosprey
> You don't need to understand every ones position on this.
True, but I genuinely wanted to, and because you and others kindly took the time, I do believe I understand the position better now; or if not, then at least it no longer feels logically inconsistent to me. Thank you for that.
@xgranade
> You don't need to understand every ones position on this.
True, but I genuinely wanted to, and because you and others kindly took the time, I do believe I understand the position better now; or if not, then at least it no longer feels logically inconsistent to me. Thank you for that.
@xgranade
@lettosprey
> It doesn't matter that "big tech are not the only ones that can...", when projects use their LLM's (...)
Absolutely. I am 100% with you that free software should not be beholden to big tech. Unfortunately "open source" was always a ploy to get big tech to embrace free software, and so depending on why you are here, you might not care as much. ("You" as in the hypothetical open source developer, not you personally)
@xgranade
> It doesn't matter that "big tech are not the only ones that can...", when projects use their LLM's (...)
Absolutely. I am 100% with you that free software should not be beholden to big tech. Unfortunately "open source" was always a ploy to get big tech to embrace free software, and so depending on why you are here, you might not care as much. ("You" as in the hypothetical open source developer, not you personally)
@xgranade
@lettosprey
> The "run at home" LLM's are not exactly much to get excited about.
Certainly true several months ago, and probably true today (more so from an ideological than a technical pov).
I feel the way out of this mess though is through this. If we "run at home" LLMs are competitive with hosted ones, then when the bubble bursts and big tech must hike their prices, not even the people most convinced will want to use them anymore.
@xgranade
> The "run at home" LLM's are not exactly much to get excited about.
Certainly true several months ago, and probably true today (more so from an ideological than a technical pov).
I feel the way out of this mess though is through this. If we "run at home" LLMs are competitive with hosted ones, then when the bubble bursts and big tech must hike their prices, not even the people most convinced will want to use them anymore.
@xgranade
@lettosprey
(This is, occasionally, also why I'm trying to convince the powers that be at $DAYJOB to look into self-hosting rather than relying on hosted LLMs: so I can experiment with the available models and potentially also work on making them more attractive than the hosted ones)
@xgranade
(This is, occasionally, also why I'm trying to convince the powers that be at $DAYJOB to look into self-hosting rather than relying on hosted LLMs: so I can experiment with the available models and potentially also work on making them more attractive than the hosted ones)
@xgranade
@orrery
The next day this perhaps comes across more spicy than it was intended. Let me clarify
I'm saying that I've always felt there is a significant part of the community that is here not for the freedom arguments but because of the higher quality/free as in beer marketing the OSI came up with.
So it's on trend to me that these things are happening, even though I'm with you that it's not what you'd want.
@xgranade
The next day this perhaps comes across more spicy than it was intended. Let me clarify
I'm saying that I've always felt there is a significant part of the community that is here not for the freedom arguments but because of the higher quality/free as in beer marketing the OSI came up with.
So it's on trend to me that these things are happening, even though I'm with you that it's not what you'd want.
@xgranade