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I got a call from someone I don't know.

"Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

"Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

"That much?"

Some silence.

"Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

@stefano Let them boil in the soup of their own creation. The ability to *not* rely on LLMs is an invaluable asset. Clients which don't understand this already will understand eventually.

@stefano I recently had someone ask me to set up WordPress for them. I agreed and they asked if I would be using AI to do the work. I assured them no, it is a simple (for me) task which takes just a few minutes.

They then clarified they were asking me to use AI to do the install. They thought using AI would somehow make the vanilla WordPress setup better. They were fine with it taking longer, even, if I somehow involved AI in the process they had already offloaded to me.

@stefano @OdyX I'm at a loss for words… thanks for sharing and more importantly, sorry this happened.

@distrowatch totally crazy!

@distrowatch @stefano "oh, if you want me to use AI I need $3000 extra for buying all the tokens"

@distrowatch @stefano I use AI* all the time in my work.

* That is, my actual intelligence and not the fake kind.

@stefano apps and social networks have spawned a generation of people who think they shouldn’t have to pay for anything. Only they should make money not you.

@Ox1de @stefano : well, they are perfectly fine paying a lot of money to big corporations (Microsoft or Google, Apple for the laptops, OpenAI, Anthropic…)

They just don’t want to pay an human.

Probably because they are uncomfortable with the fact that this human will know more about the subject than they are.

(I mean, 500€ is cheap ! They already wasted as much without batting an eye )

But very good call: 500€ to undo the shit done by LLMs!

@distrowatch @stefano

It is truly wild that this idea that things are more trustworthy if they're said by a computer somehow took hold among so many people.

@stefano When karma meets AI and human stupidity 😜

@stefano Almost my entire income is unfucking bad AI nonsense, much of it starts like this story.

And it almost always comes with a phase in the negotiations where they beg me to reduce my rates because they have already spent so much money on AI.

But that isn't my fault, nor my problem.

Never been told off like this though.

@nuintari @stefano

This AI crap is almost enough to make me consider going back into consulting.

The power in any negotiation goes to the person most willing to walk away. Companies trashed by AI cannot walk away.

@stefano Remind of this now classic cartoon

A three panel cartoon. The first panel titled "Current Situation", shows a frowning figure labeled "Sad Engineers" with a heap of trash labeled "Pile of Complexity" and an arrow pointing to a tablet-shaped device labeled "Apps". The second titled "What People Think AI Will Do" shows a a happy figure with a cloud labeled "AI!" and the heap of trash labeled "Hidden Pile of Complexity That No Longer Matters" and the arrow points to the tablet. The third panel is titled "What Is Actually Going to Happen" and shows a frowning figure again labeled "Sad Engineers" with a trash pile labeled "New Pile of Complexity" followed by the cloud-shaped "AI" and a second heap labeled "Old Pile of Complexity" with two frowning figures labeled "Sadder Engineers" and the final tablet labeled "Apps".

@stefano Reminds me of this

A display board behind a front window:

Price list

I code, manually: $500
I code, you watch: $800
I code, you advise: $1000
I code, you help: $1500
You vibe code, I help: $2000
You vibe code, I advise: $3500
You vibe code, I watch: $5000
You vibe code, I review: $8000

@stefano you’re charging the same amount to rescue my truck that I spent getting it stuck? Outrageous!

@stefano I think folks really have a lack of value for our profession because it's "computer skills".

It's the same attitude as "oh it's just plumbing" and before you know it you're knee deep in dirty water.

No matter how desperate we are for money, we must value our time. And like just get a plumber in.

We don't have to be good at everything. It's a chance to get to know folks and you never know the plumber might know a business that need your professional help.

@onepict True. Years ago, "it's an easy task! The 12 years old son of my friend could do it".
My reply was: "Let him do that, but don't call me when everything will be gone".

At times, it happened. Sometimes, they just went out of business.

@stefano I've walked out of exactly that conversation a few times, yes. @onepict

@mwl @nuintari @stefano I've never done it full-time, but I'm considering it. (I'd love to start a co-op, but I haven't sat down to map anything out.) But "I will unfuck your AI nonsense" seems like it could be a good niche.

@theorangetheme @mwl @stefano I honestly hate doing it, but it is the only work I've been finding lately. I've had to sign an NDA for every single gig I have had doing it, they always wanna haggle over the price, and they always complain that the fix takes too long.

The last part is what really drives me bonkers. They spent a month wasting money on an AI solution that made their issue worse, but they expect me to wave my magic wand and fix it in an hour.

And so, so many of them will try it again. I've gotten three callbacks this year that were basically, "We aimed AI at your fix and now it's broke, we need you to come back in (and do a better job this time)."

I have taken to stating in my contract terms that if you use AI on my work, it completely voids anything resembling a warranty or culpability on my part. I will not be held responsible because people are idiots. Doesn't stop them from trying though.

If AI is the future of IT, I don't want to work in IT anymore.

@nuintari @mwl @stefano This is helpful context, thank you.

@stefano Well, "AI" will certainly take his away… because he's clearly not competent to manage a FreeBSD server.

You don't mess with something that is years old without first performing a back-up. Ever.

@stefano Giving a bot that has less intelligence than a toddler root on a machine... without even having any backups... and then have the gal to treat someone who can actually help them like this, yep, they deserve what they get!
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@Ox1de @stefano We keep talking about the enshitification of products, but never the enshitification of their users.

@highvoltage @stefano I agree and I think it's by design, it's part of the lock in process