Apropos nothing¹, I'm sticking with Firefox ESR as packaged in Debian as my browser. I'm not particularly happy with Mozilla (corporation or foundation) or many of the changes to Firefox in recent years, but there are few good alternatives.

I donate to @servo every month, and hoping that it'll become a daily driver quickly enough.

(Do not suggest other browsers for me to consider.)

¹ This is a subtoot.

@liw @servo servo has a policy against ai contributions?

okay I'm donating too

@sbrudenell @servo https://book.servo.org/policy/ai-usage.html seems to be the policy.

@liw i keep wondering "how far is @servo from daily usage anyways?" and each time I try I realize how complicated how web browsers are... just "tabs" is A Thing that didn't even exist originally, right? nevermind crazy single page apps like this very #mastodon thing here... slap adblocker and all those extensions i have, and it's far out...

@Anarcat @liw @servo as much as I wish them the best, the answer is far from it because a web browser isn't just about correctly rendering things.

@dannycolin @liw well actually if @servo would correctly render things, it would pretty good already, but from what I gathered it's still having trouble just keeping up at that level.

part of the problem there is, of course, that "just correctly rendering things" hides *so much complexity* it's actually absurd: even plain HTML and CSS have become so complicated that CSS itself is almost turing-complete now... and that's not even getting into crazier stuff like WebRTC, WebUSB and garbage like Widevine DRM...

@Anarcat @liw @servo CSS has been turing complete for a while ;p. It reminds me of a talk from Lara Schenck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtddBM8s7xY.

Also, my point was related to the security aspect of building a browser. The APIs you mentioned are included in it.

@dannycolin it's actually impressive how badly @servo handles #mastodon, actually: it can't even load the timeline as a guest user, can't load the app, i even managed to crash it!

@dannycolin @servo actually, once i enabled the radioactive "experimental features" button, things *kind* of work, and i can even post this reply! (before, only the "toot" button would work, nothing else) - and no, i couldn't reproduce that crash

@dannycolin one thing that doesn't seem to work at all in @servo is the dark theme in #mastodon, some buttons are just completely invisible

@dannycolin @servo interestingly, it's not 100% consistent, here's another view after toggling dark/light, where the buttons *are* a little more visible

@dannycolin here is what @servo looks like in light mode, much better, but see how some buttons are invisible again?

@dannycolin and here is, of course, how @servo *should* look like, which is the #firefox rendering right now

@Anarcat @servo and this is why I'm still using Firefox and contributing to Mozilla even if I don't agree with every decisions taken by the corporation. It still is the best (or less evil depending on people's opinion) browser we have.

@liw I mean, just using LibreWolf improves the overall experience IMHO.

@dannycolin it's pretty much the *only* browser we have, for that matter...