I started trying to de-google myself by moving some personal email usage to proton. Apparently that was a bad decision.

My university email is through Microsoft, and I have another email through Microsoft for committee work I do with the American Astronomical Society.

So right now I regularly check 5 different emails through 3 different providers. Forwarding won't help, all are evil. And I guess I should find YET ANOTHER PROVIDER for my personal emails, because all are evil. This sucks.

@sundogplanets Not evil: @Tutanota

(This is only half a cry for help, mostly just complaining. I appreciate suggestions, but don't spend a lot of time on your suggestions if you want to make them, because I likely don't have time to figure out how to implement those suggestions)

@sundogplanets
I hear good things about Tuta, still. I think they might be the last one, unless you want to use Apple and hope for the best.

@sundogplanets If I were going to degoogle (or when I degoogle 🤔) I would start with @Tutanota, for what it's worth. Probably create a personal account and add aliases for professional accounts if/when necessary. I haven't kicked the tires, so I don't know how replies would work when there's "more than one of you" but might make some of the juggling easier. 🤷

@sundogplanets I use BetterBird (BB, a fork of Thunerbird) to read my Gmail, Apple Mail, personal domain email, Yahoo, and Hotmail. 1 application for 5 servers.

Apple, Y!, G, and Hotmail will all have their own methods once you create the account in BB. I can't recall them all, but patience will be rewarded.

I could get Tuta on there too, but using it's client to manage all the aliases for logins and subscriptions.

@sundogplanets

Same. I got mostly off Gmail on to Proton, and then it enshittifies. All corporate email will do so, sooner or later. What's left?

@sundogplanets I feel your pain!

@sundogplanets email was not why I assembled this document, but some of the entries here include email and there are all kinds of other notes on each provider/software. Perhaps it can help you screen? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O3QsPC_oo3FzT267CrD9ozA7IsscsEqQfkDmzTI2emc/edit?usp=sharing

@sundogplanets
Another vote for Tuta mail.

@Tutanota

@sundogplanets I rented a vps and installed @MailInABox and I am very happy with it. Can also host emails for other persons with different domain names.

@sundogplanets Tutanota is private and good *and* they're on mastodon: @Tutanota.

Been using them for years.

@sundogplanets - not a solution for heavy users of email, but Vancouver Community Network is still plugging along, all hail. The servers go down when the library floods though.
https://www2.vcn.bc.ca/
(I used to volunteer there. Very cheerful group.)

@sundogplanets I'm almost afraid to say anything that might jinx it, but so far (!) StartMail seems to be an option - it's not free, but very reasonable, works very well & is developing, e.g. they launched their own app just this week (I've been using it for about two years at this point).

@sundogplanets Same problem here. And not only mail but also backup photo's and drive. And who says the next option is any better in the end... really sucks.

@sundogplanets
You can look at the group Chatons (kitten in French).
there is many who provide emails services many many differents prices.
#chatons
https://chatons.org

@sundogplanets I did similar - moved to Proton, and regretting it.

But yes, it is a pain. I think it is better than Google (although I am forwarding from there).

It is a nightmare. All we want is an email provider who are doing the right thing, not being evil. It should not be a difficult thing.

@sundogplanets Its so much work to change emails too; so honestly I may just ride this for a bit because Ive hopped THREE times. As long as its not shoved in my face and doesnt compromise security like…asking people to move every time a company does something bad I get it really I do but i just cant keep doing this. Tuta may be the next in a year, then what?!

@sundogplanets
I've been using tutanota for years with no complaints, they want to do the right thing

@sundogplanets After leaving Gmail for Protonmail, then quickly wanting to leave Protonmail, someone recommended Runbox.com in Norway. There's a non-trivial annual fee, but they don't annoy me, they aren't run by a nazi broligarch, and Norway has excellent privacy laws. Just renewed for another year.