pleroma.debian.social

pleroma.debian.social

Wouter Verhelst | @wouter@pleroma.debian.social

Debian Developer. husband. FOSDEM organizer. Tennis lover. Amateur musician.

If it ain't fun, you're not doing it right.

@cassidy
"I don't care, does it even matter" should be an option too 🤷

The 🐏 I can afford: 🐏

"Comparison of high-end RGB RAM sticks versus a silver RAM truck, illustrating different budget options for computer RAM."

@letoams
The Exim version of that is:
- Make sure you have an ACL configured for acl_smtp_data
- In that ACL, add the following:

require message = Gmail confidential emails not accepted here
condition = ${if def:header_x-gm-locker:{no}{yes}}

Three bugs appear.

“Ah, with my senior software developer senses I detect these are in fact not three separate bugs, but a single bug manifesting in different ways. A greener developer would have fallen into this trap and spent all day chasing shadows!”

*7 hours of struggling*

They are three separate bugs.

it for things some people might consider evil, which might include things like the military, a tobacco company, a meat processing plant, the Walt Disney company, or, heck, those touch screen ordering booths at some fast food places.

Because if you're going to insist I must be upset about your other causes, why stop there?

That's why I don't do it, and why I say that the cause of free software, *while related* to other causes, is still not the same.
@violetmadder

@violetmadder
In the mean time, while you go off and do all that, I'll sit here making sure you can actually do that without being spied upon, by contributing to an operating system you can trust to do what you want it to do, not what some shitty billionaire halfway across the world wants.

And I'll do it on my terms, which is that anyone can use what I produce for any purpose, because that to me is the most core of all cores to free software. And that includes you using

@violetmadder
I'm not apolitical for having different political opinions to you.

I have only so much time in a day to care, so I prioritise. If you go and organise a protest against Google and that manages to make them slightly less evil, more power to you. I might even join (if it's within my means to do so). But it's not something that keeps me up at night. It's not my priority.

I'm not saying your cause is wrong, just that there are other causes that I find more important.

@violetmadder Also, my "I'm not going to comment on that in public" is specifically about the sponsorship for FOSDEM and is related to me being a FOSDEM organizer.

It should not be read as a "I think google is great and everything is fine" with a dog in a burning room.

There's a reason why I use firefox, duckduckgo, and my own mailserver, ffs

@violetmadder
I also don't think things are quite that bleak, but then that might have something to do with me not being in the same country as you.

@violetmadder You seem upset, you should take a breather.

I can agree with people on the cause of Free Software without agreeing on all their other causes.

And I'm not saying which causes; I agree with most of what you say, though not quite as angrily. It's just that there's a time and a place for everything, and a conference about "free software" is not the same thing as a conference about "privacy", even if the two are related.

@ben 40 is a number, not an explanation, but you obviously are not interested in an actual conversation and only in more insults, so, plonk.

@bkuhn @hko That might work. I should add that I only used it for a short amount of time (I was at HQ for less than a week), so, meh.

@ben So what's your background then? Obviously you think you know better, so educate me. Why should I believe you, and not my 25 years of actual fucking experience in the field?

Or are you just someone else who believes "my beliefs are the only valid ones and if you disagree you're an idiot"? That way lies facism.

I've explained my opinions. It's OK if you disagree with them, and I'm happy to have a civilized discussion about them, but don't insult me just because you disagree.

@freakazoid you keep putting words in my mouth, and I don't appreciate it. Bye.

@freakazoid I'm saying that for an organization, it's not possible or desirable to form an opinion about everything. I don't think FOSDEM has an opinion on privacy, human rights, or democracy, even though most of its members do (some quite vocally so).

I'm saying it's OK for FOSDEM to be like that, as long as the opinion on free software is there and is clear.

I'm personally worried by the current backslide to facism, but it's not something I deal with in the context of FOSDEM.

@freakazoid And I have this (annoying, I know) habit of not conflating everything I care about into everything I do. I care about privacy, but I understand that not everyone in the Free Software community does, and honestly, I think that's fine. To me, it's not required that everything is perfect in every possible way.

When I think about free software, the base of everything is the four freedoms, nothing more.

When I think about privacy, the context is very different.

@freakazoid Free Software is about the 4 freedoms, and the benefits that flow from that into use of that software, which includes things like allowing you make your computer (or printer) do what you want.

There are tangentially related causes, such as privacy, democracy, and freedom of expression, that are relevant and valid, and that I think are very important, but that, while free software can enormously help you achieving, are not directly part of the goals of Free Software.

@freakazoid

Free software isn't just about freedom to use the software you happen to make. It's about the freedom to use my computer. My printer. My phone. Not to have these devices be controlled by their manufacturer to the point that we're really just paying rent up front.

There's not a hair on my head that does not agree with this, and you thinking otherwise only shows that you completely missed my point.

@freakazoid Please stop confusing "I disagree with you" with "I don't know what I'm talking about". You do not hold the absolute truth (and neither do I).

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