@bayindirh
The main point of difference though is that I consider my OS to be the development environment, rather than any one app. Once you switch to that mindset, you realise that you don't need to have everything integrated, and it can actually speed things up IME.
@foone

@bayindirh
I rarely write makefiles by hand anymore, except for very small projects. I personally prefer autotools. While that's certainly not for everyone, it does come with build profile possibilities built-in. Alternatives such as cmake do too.

Configuration snapshots etc is just git.
@foone

@bayindirh
I'm not a fan of 'bespoke' anything, as it implies a smaller development base as opposed to something more generic.

I can call the GCC or clang static analysers on code and display results in vim though. Same with valgrind.
@foone

@mirabilos
Sometimes I forget that you're the author of a shell, and then you post one of these and then I go 👀😶 and I'm reminded again.

No I didn't read the full thing. Yes I did appreciate it 😂
@navi @dalias

@cmconseils
"Sorry, I don't bring my phone to restaurants because I don't want to get distracted, can you please bring me a paper menu? You can't? Okay bye".

It doesn't change them immediately, but it's the only type of feedback that will work.

@bayindirh
What is it that makes eclipse a "complete workshop"? I have yet to see something that it can do which vim cannot. I mean someone wrote a c compiler in vim script at https://github.com/rhysd/8cc.vim
@foone

@bayindirh
4 _seconds_ is somehow 'fast'?
@foone

@mirabilos
They are configurable, you can tell it that your documents folder is ~/docs and make the video folder also be that, e.g.
@LinuxToday

@foone
All your dreams are belong to us
@kay

@lzg
I mean, "AI broke prod" is the modern version of "computer says no"...

@foxyoreos
That's not my reading (more like, today's tech shows that something is possible even if we might prefer to do that with some tech that is similar in abilities but made in a different way), but I'm not him and I don't care enough to argue this further, so, meh 🤷

@foxyoreos
Meanwhile it is certainly possible to see ways, in well prescribed and clearly delineated circumstances, where the tech can be used for good. In my reading, that's everything he's been arguing.

To say that it's not possible at all because it's not possible today is being dishonest with yourself about the truth.

I didn't see anyone disagree with the statement that it's not possible today, so to argue that is a waste of everyone's time.

@foxyoreos
It is a prerequisite to using, yes, but not a prerequisite to seeing the possibilities of the technologies and/or arguing that there are good uses of the technology.

OP has mentioned multiple times in this thread that he's not supportive of everything about today's version of the tech, so to tell him that there are terrible parts about it is preaching to the choir.

@foxyoreos
It's possible to argue for a technology that you can see could theoretically exist even if you don't see it existing today.

I mean, someone in the early eighties had a rant about a printer and decided he wanted to argue for a free operating system.
@mjg59 @petko

@mirabilos
Very! I can consistently reach D2, though only barely and with a lot of air and not a lot of volume. If I had a lot of alcohol and/or not a lot of sleep the night before, I can *sometimes* reach C2, but it's rare.

I once sang with someone who could reach G1 (not a typo). Now *that* was impressive. And beautiful.
@bytebro

@mirabilos
I can reach E4 without warm-up. With warm-up I can get a little bit higher than that, sometimes up to G4.

I however did not say it was easy, nor that it is something I can sustain for long stretches of time without hurting my throat 😉
@bytebro

Yes, current LLM bad, because of the unethical behaviour of the companies pushing it. And yes, that's reason enough to dislike current LLMs.

But the tech itself is not terrible, and if we can build it ethically, can be useful.
@mjg59 @Ced

@Ced
I don't think that anyone is claiming that we have that today. Certainly I didn't read Matthew's post that started off this thread in that way.

There's a subset of people in the free software community that go 'all LLM bad'. I don't necessarily agree with that.
@mjg59

@mirabilos
Well during my recent audition I got to F above middle C without resorting to falsetto, which when the conductor told me (I don't have absolute pitch) surprised me, but only a bit.

Would have been able to get a bit higher but that probable would've hurt my voice so I didn't
@bytebro

@Ced
and (b) them wanting to serve millions of users which requires more compute, than it is about limitations inherent in the technology.

All you need to replicate this is a sufficiently large data set, a bit of compute time, and an open source license.
@mjg59