pleroma.debian.social

pleroma.debian.social

werdahias (tired) @ KiCon | @werdahias@pleroma.debian.social

Debian Developer. KiCad Contributor. EE student.
Likes hiking, reading and free software.
#RightToRepair
"Freiheit ist immer Freiheit des anders Denkenden." - Rosa Luxemburg

Working on something more formal:

https://salsa.debian.org/timb-machine/debian-ai-llm-tagging

If you're a developer and you're interested, it aint gonna happen unless DDs get on board... (although I am planning submitting PR for packages I've had a hand in...)

Update: I will move it to salsa as soon as my account is activated. When I last interacted with Debian in this manner, salsa was not a thing :).

Further update: Live on salsa and link above now reflects this.

Rare image of the birth of an electrician (still with the eggshell on his head)

A photograph of a utility worker wearing a hard hat and safety harness, working high up on a metal telecommunications pole. Right in front of the worker, resting on the tower's platform, is a large bird's nest made of thick sticks and branches.

@josch @Ganneff I won't stop, but I will invest the time spent on free software mostly elsewhere. As someone who reviewed a lot of MRs on salsa and sponsored a few packages, you can immediately tell if it's slop, and it is just a waste of my time.

Very sad, when I started contributing Debian struck me as having a sane rationale; guess I was wrong.

@martin @disaster2life ah, yeah, Forky ofc.

@disaster2life Until trixie releases I have another project I want to prioritize; if at least 4 other interested people show up I'd be on board.

Du willst wissen, wie viel deine Fahrkarte wert ist?

Ear worm, wtf lucy get some rest
@lucydev thanks, now I want to watch asdf again

Now I am (semi) seriously considering to start Debian GNU/NetBSD, just out of spite. Would've never guessed it'd come to this.

I'm deeply disappointed by the result of the vote. I seems to me that the project is pretty much split down the middle on the issue, and I'm very unhappy that my ethical opposition puts me in the minority.

I'm not sure where we go from here, but I don't think I want to abandon ship after so many years in the project.

@liw halfjokingly suggested Debian GNU/NetBSD today

Photo of a cat. Text below: "This cat name is <heavy ffmpeg command to stress test CPU> run that in your terminal"

the social contract that allows the web to exist at all is literally collapsing in real time
https://people.kernel.org/monsieuricon/creepy-crawlies

As of today, I believe NetBSD is one of the most important operating systems to consider for your deployments.

With hardware costs rising dramatically, portability and efficiency have become more important than ever. If prices do not come down, we will probably have to adapt and create new kinds of hardware, at lower cost. And NetBSD, by its very nature, will be very easy to port to that hardware.

Does it run on your modern PC? Maybe. Maybe not.

But it runs on your server. On your VPS. On your SBC. On your old computer, which may still have a lot to give, especially if you want to keep ownership of your own data.

And I know something about old hardware still having a lot to give:
https://it-notes.dragas.net/2023/08/27/that-old-netbsd-server-running-since-2010/

No jails or containerisation? smolBSD has already shown that a reduced NetBSD kernel can be so small that it can be started in milliseconds, while also adding the security benefits of virtualisation. A different concept, certainly. But one that already exists and can already be used.

Linux itself has opened up to AI. That is a choice I will not comment on.

But from now on, for those who do not want LLM-generated code in their operating system, there are essentially two options: fork Linux (!!!), or choose something different.

And NetBSD is that something different.

Already in 2024:

“...code generated by a large language model or similar technology (e.g. ChatGPT, GitHub Copilot) is presumed to be tainted (i.e. of unclear copyright, not fitting NetBSD's licensing goals) and cannot be committed to NetBSD.”

@debacle @josch @Ganneff @j4yc33 I disagree, there is no being neutral. Already people are looking for alternatives to Debian since the project decided that way.

@debacle @Ganneff @j4yc33 @josch Also, the permanent DoS on both our and the larger FOSS infrastructure is apparently fine. No-one seriously addressed that. This is like getting beaten up and stating " this is just the cost of doing business". This will just lead to more maintainer burnout, and if you do not take a firm stance against slop (or fascism, for that matter), you are helping it, whether you like it or not.

@debacle @josch @Ganneff @j4yc33 this explicitly covered only contributions to Debian, and it's laughable that no ban on LLM usage for that passed. If you need a slop machine to create some packaging, you're not suited to be a DD IMO. Creating my first package was the gateway for me to learn git, more about Linux etc., which is not possible at all it you offload that.

Since I'm glad to finally be able to do this, and wanna get this hardware in as many interested hands as possible, I am discounting the eater-deluxe 6502 based personal computer DIY kit down to USD 151.74, that's EUR 131, up until Friday, September 3rd!


#6502

@Ganneff this is the main problem: You can't just quit using the kernel. I for one will invest my contributions in something I deem a more valuable use of my time. Depressing that it's come to that, #Debian is too much sunk cost at this point for me.

"responsible LLM usage" is the "clean coal" of the tech world

@tris @doctormo @dalias @leah yes, the 3:1 majority would have been needed because of the social contract amendment.

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