@GyrosGeier
These kinds of issues are why I said "works" rather than the plain unquoted variant of that word 😉
@ignaloidas

@GyrosGeier
Yes, that's what I mean.

Would be awesome because suddenly every window manager "works" with Wayland.

Probably not a good idea though because everything will be very confused.
@ignaloidas

@ignaloidas
To put it otherwise.

I think what I want is a Wayland compositor that doesn't provide a UI, but that instead provides some sort of compatibility layer so you can hook up a window manager to do the actual UI work.
@GyrosGeier @mjg59

@ignaloidas
Not quite.

These are all 'I have a native Wayland application that I want to run in my X11 session'. That's a cool thing, but not what I want to do.

I want to *run* a Wayland environment. Everything should be Wayland, with standard fallback to the XWayland thing for stuff that isn't supported yet.

Except that I just want the UI to be a window manager that expects X11.
@mjg59 @GyrosGeier

@ignaloidas
My understanding of Wayback was that it is a way to provide an X11 implementation that uses the Wayland backend, rather than a way to shoehorn the Wayland frontend under an X11 window manager, which is what I'm suggesting.

Of course my understanding can be wrong, in which case a link to more information would be welcomed by a promise for your favourite beverage at my cost if you look for me at the next FOSDEM 😉
@mjg59 @GyrosGeier

@GyrosGeier
This, but then awesomewm.

I think a more globally useful approach would be to write something that implements the part of an X11 server that the window manager talks to, but that looks like Wayland to the applications. This way, people who really don't want to migrate away from their X11-only environment can keep using it and still use Wayland.

This is probably naive and not possible, but meh, one can dream.
@ignaloidas @mjg59

@randahl
It's called 'projecting'.

@misty
I did a bit of creative searching on DuckDuckGo and came across this:

https://pastebin.com/3gsjdbwp

Interview with her (not by her husband) moments after the attempt.
@jessamyn

@Walop
Welcome to the world of conflicting bureaucratic requirements. When I did paperwork to move to South Africa, the South African government wanted me to do something (produce a certified copy of my passport) that the Belgian government declared illegal (you're not allowed to make any copies of any identity documents, not even your own)

The solution was to get a lawyer to help me find my way out. I'd suggest you might need to do the same.

@sj
Not a very cryptographically strong semiprime though

@jpmens
DVD rips and a @jellyfin instance?

Happy new year!

@pixx
Okay, yes. To me, open core is not open source, and a company dropping a free 'community version' but not taking patches for that one nor even providing a basic version of support might as well just do shareware instead.

@pixx
I don't think the expectation of free support is valid. If someone asks for support on a public forum, I help them if and when I have time or let someone else handle it when not. If someone sends me private email, I send information on the public forum as well as a quote for paid private support.

Nobody should feel forced to do anything just because they happen to do open source.

@pixx
Copying software costs nothing. Yes, writing software does. But to charge 100s of $CURRENCY for something you copy millions of times? Yuck.

I mean it's not a coincidence that most of today's billionaires made their money doing software.
@amin @rl_dane @ivanmarkov @clayton @orbitalmartian @kabel42

@rl_dane
Coworking spaces are (IME) an awesome way to deal with that: you work remotely, yet you have people around you that provide the social contact you crave.

Of course that doesn't work if you need the social contact from your colleagues, but it does for me.
@amin